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The Talmud of Homosexuality

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lisala's picture
Submitted by lisala on

Leviticus is technically the combination of two versions of the same text; this passage is essentially a variation of Leviticus 18:22. Moreover, Leviticus is a set of rules intended for the priests, the Cohanim, who need very specific purity laws.

It is specifically a prohibition against anal sex between men. Moreover, if we look at the earlier verse Leviticus 18:22, the context there is one admonishing against following the practices of others, like idolatry. Historically, it's importatnt to note that the early Jews were surrounded by cultures practicing temple religions, with many gods/goddesses and ritualized sex at the temple, including male and female temple prostitutes. You'll note the references to Moloch in the same section—a deity that we know was in fact associated with public sex acts, including m/m sex acts.

One of the most rational discussions of both versions, a discussion written from the neutral point of view of a textual analysis in a historic and linguistic context is here, at Religious Tolerance.org.

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Submitted by Anonymous on

I'll just say, if I were gay, I would reject the entire mess of Christianity as a hostile and disorganized faith. These discussions of one law supeceding another or not being relevant today, are totally pointless. Morality does NOT depend on the Bible, so toss the whole thing. There are some relevant items in there, but they are not exclusive to Christianity.

Who is being hurt? That is the only question to ask. Not what Leviticus 20 or Book 12 says. Its gibberish. If both people are consenting, in love, respectful who cares what a tribe of ancient neolithic people believe. There are also other more popular faiths that don't throw hateful verses around to join.

Rise above dogma and true morality will become clear.

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Submitted by msarko on

It should be noted that a Talmudic approach has nothing to do with Christianity, as it is a strictly Jewish academic tack. The purpose of using theological concepts to argue for things like the acceptance of homosexuality is to prove that the biblical exegesis anti-gay individuals use is not only immoral, it's philosophically incorrect. The advancement of religious philosophy through discussion is the very definition of rising above dogma. It's easy to throw out an entire faith because of one disagreement, but it's far more valuable to allow the faith itself to debunk the bigotry of others who would twist it.

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Submitted by lisala on

It should be noted that a Talmudic approach has nothing to do with Christianity, as it is a strictly Jewish academic tack.

Seriously, that's the crux of the issue right there; the OT is not the Law for Christians; it isn't their book.

But it gets tricky from a Christian perspective since to a Christian, Christ is the Messiah, so that there's an assumption that the OT references are "types" that "figure" events in the NT.

One of the joys about Judaism and its approaches to the laws set forth in the Torah is that you have centuries of careful thought and debate and interpretation is sincere desire to be a good Jew.

Christianity lost that, thanks to Paul, and it's a huge loss. And an even greater loss is that Christianst can't read the NT as written; they really can't. And the scribal traditions around Torah copying are completely lacking, and always have been, in Christian contexts.

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